Comfortable With Paying The Universe ? February 26, 2008
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“M0ney and Beliefs - Unlocking Your Abundance”
And even though we know we may be preaching to the choir about self-sabotaging beliefs as they relate to “money and spirituality” (after all, if you thought like the gentleman below, you wouldn’t have paid for “higher learning” content before - yes, we’re taking a stab at it and assuming you have), we’re gonna slap the following story on you anyway 
We’ve said it before, in other places (and even asked mentors about it on our interviews), but we’ll put this amusing (and head-shaking as ever) little fact on the table one more time:
We always have at least 2 to 4 subscribers who effectively come across as “spiritual hall monitors” (or “Ivory Tower snobs” if that packs a more descriptive visual for you) every time we send an email that promotes a higher-learning product that requires them, if they want it, to use their money to get it.
It’s almost an unbelievable thought, but somewhere along their path, somebody or some experience convinced them that teachers and/or marketers of metaphysical information shouldn’t be paid for their time, effort, and energy.
A standard comment (in this case, an actual one too) is:
( from a recent blog discussion )
“And, if those who have learnt properly, about the Law Of Manifestation, have truly learnt properly, they would be giving what they have learnt back to the universe, and everyone in it, by sharing what they know for free.”
While we could go on and on here about how every teacher and researcher in this sector of personal-development GIVES freely FIRST (gives of their time and knowledge before payment is required), and how Manifestation wisdom and guru-ness isn’t about pulling gold coins out of pockets, we’ll leave that for another discussion.
For now, just know this:
Due to some highly-insidious programming, and lack-thinking from media, institutionalized educational outlets, and even friends, there’s always going to be somebody in your life who…
Equates the concept of “something-for-nothing” with Godliness.
And, if this person is close to you (family member, co-worker, friend, etc.), they might even be highly-qualified to convince you it’s your job, too, to criticize others for earning money off that which they consider to be God’s work (i.e., timeless spiritual wisdom).
BE AWARE ! Veeeeeery AWARE !!
But, fortunately, there are de-programming guides, books, and mentors out there who don’t pass on and teach the standard, rehashed, regurgitated spiritual G-Rated rhetoric that permeates this arena.
( more on this in the coming weeks ).
For now, also know there are students out there, like you, who have figured out HOW to bust through the deepest beliefs and secret thoughts about money that have held them back for years.
For example, this is one of the responses to the gentleman who made the blog comment above:
“Hi there. I think that Ian and others that share Ian’s views need to sit down and take a real good look at the strong limitations they have adopted and then do the work to eliminate those limiting beliefs.
I once would have agreed with them too, but life has taught me otherwise since sometime ago when I discovered I had really bad ‘money mentality’.
I began focusing on changing my thinking in that area, got rid of bad habits and formed better habits, meditated on it, did a lot of affirmations and sure enough my life did a 360 degree turn around.
It was a lot of work but well worth it. I’m not a millionaire but I don’t have any money worries and I’ve stopped having to take a calculator to the super market! During this change I remembered hearing a quote: ‘One cannot give from an empty vessel.’
I think the mentors mentioned have every right to continue doing well financially, after all it’s not a spiritual crime to do so as many spiritually minded people unfortunately believe.”
If you know somebody who is still struggling with these issues or, without question, thinks they’re getting some intangible value from having less money than they’d like, pass on this blog post and this link: http://www.lwlworldwide.com/money
Through the no-charge 38-page e-book (preview to The Belief Buster Kit), they’ll learn:
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* An exercise to instantly reveal their current state of ‘money consciousness’
* Why most of what they believe about m0ney isn’t true! (apparent in over 50 examples of limiting monetary beliefs that could be impacting their finances today).
* 2 ‘Abundance Flip Switches’ that will instantly align their vibration to abundance.
* How to transform their financial reality with ‘Heart Vision’ !
* Why any belief in lack, scarcity, or limitation is false, and how to bust free of these beliefs to achieve the abundance they desire.
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It’s a bit like the old anti-Communist joke from the 1920s … ad in paper read “Communist with own knife and fork wishes to meet Communist with own meat pie”. Have a great day, Luv Ya All. Justin
The other day I was talking with my husband about how many people were brought up with money beliefs that kept them poor and did not realize it. I did some of my own self evaluation about my beliefs in money that kept me poor. I discovered although I could fantasize or visualize me with a lot of money and living the life I would like to live I could not really feel it. In fact if I would try to feel how it would feel for someone to pay me what my services are truly worth I would feel uneasy about it.
I remember many years ago praying that I wanted to be rich but not if it would corrupt me. I realized one of my fears was that I would be corrupted by money. Even though whenever I read new age books that would say if I used my talents to make money I would lose them and I seen that as ridiculous is that was somewhere somehow inside I felt that I was to do for others without expecting in return.
Ironically my greatest dreams concerning money have to do with helping others that can not be helped if I don’t have the money to help them with.
I realize I got a lot of those beliefs from my Mother who is a wonderful Woman, that really came to home when I was looking at a book she had that was written by Jack Canfield about Success, I looked at all her underlined and highlighted areas, I had notice anything he wrote about money was not highlighted or underlined, it is as if she completely bypassed it. When I talk about money and what I would like to do with it, her questioning would convince me even more that she had difficulty with the concept of having a lot of money.
I discovered that many people who do not have a lot of money believe that rich people should share there money and several although they may not come out and use these words you can tell by the words they do use believe it to the point that all money is distributed evenly. Therefore really those without would be getting something for nothing as the wealthy would be spending there time and efforts to see to it they do.
Thank God that somewhere inside I have always been one to challenge certain beliefs even within myself. It did dawn on me that if you keep giving and not accepting in return that you are harming the person that you continue to give to for two reasons. One if someone wants to give something back in return you may think your being nice or noble turning down the offer but you are denying them there opportunity to give and grow. The other is often you end up giving to people who spend there lives wanting something for nothing and they never learn to give in which denies them growth, the often become angry when they do not get what they want and they end up taking it or stealing it “however you choose to view it” as a result they end up living very uncomfortably with there lives solely depending on the generosity of others and/or opportunities to steal from others etc.
I also discovered that by accepting what others “Universe” has to give to me it opens opportunities to give to others and help others grow. I guess many people who want to depend solely on the Universe to give them what they need to survive do not realize that the people in there lives are part of the Universe and is one the greatest Resources the Universe has to give. Of course if you keep giving and not accepting anything in return soon you run out of things to give.
I realize it is much more than to know this information, you really have to breath it live it believe it is for you feel it etc. This is one of my new adventures. Sincerely Penny
Okay, I totally understand, and have no problem with “spiritual” and/or manifesting teachers and marketers being compensated for their time and effort in preparing and presenting their information. They deserve it. Nobody is putting a gun to our heads to order the stuff. That being said, I do however have a small issue in the ‘manner’ in which this is being accomplished.
The “techniques” being used to market some of these products by the above mentioned “marketers” is the same way you would see many other products sold; You offer something “free”, and give the prospect a little something to whet their appetite, and then you tell them that in order to get the “real secrets” they will have to pay. This is good solid internet marketing that has been proven to work time and again. And it does. I guess the only problem I have is that I feel that when it comes to spiritual things such as manifesting ( and it IS spiritual when references are made to Universal Energy, Source, etc.) that these things should be held to a higher standard and shown more respect in the way these things of a higher, noble nature are presented, than resorting to the employ of ‘cheesy’ marketing techniques to sell product(s).
I have personally seen almost the EXACT same marketing program employed in the selling of life insurance sales programs; They advertise in an e-mail that you can get the ’secrets’ of high getting high commissions selling life insurance by offering you to click on their site; wherein you will get a couple of tips, but if you want the “real” secrets, you have to pay a good sum of money for their whole program, where the experts will tell you what you need to do to make high commissions selling insurance. I see virtually the same exact techniques being employed here. I would venture that some of us would hope that when it comes to manifesting and so forth (which IS spirtual no matter how much one wants to distance themself from that connotation), that those that market that would show it a bit more respect than presenting it in the same manner one would market a life insurance selling system.
I don’t know how this manifesting secrets stuff could be presented in a way that accomplishes being integrous and not cheesy, and would also be effective in selling the Information. God to me is NOT P.T Barnum (yet he is, but that’s another subject).
This manifesting material should be presented in a respectful manner I feel, not like an infomercial on Sunday afternoon.
I will say that the creators of this program, like the “Gold Pack”, deserve to be compensated. This is their life’s work, and they have a right to make a living just like the rest of us. If one finds value in the information then it is a fair exchange. I would just like to se it presented ina more “respectful” manner; given the spiritual nature of its content.
With the above being said, I personally purchased the membership to this site, and I have found value in it.
Thanks.
This is a great example of the insidiousness of socially conditioned belief in limitation. I have never met a person who believes that others should work for free, go to their place of employment, work all week, and not expect to get paid. Where do we (human beings) get the idea that we as individuals get to qualify how much a person whose gift it is to share wisdom or information should be paid? It is just another belief that the people who espouse such an idea, do so mindslessly without giving serious thought about why they even think this way in the first place.
To expect spiritual teachers not to be paid for their work is ridiculous. That is one of the fallacies about doing spiritual work that “there has to be poverty involved.” When we truly understand and know that the Law of Compensation is engaged in everything we do then our consciousness should expand as well as our bank accounts.
Paying money for what we receive is a way of expressing appreciation. It’s an energy exchange. If you remain a closed energy system, nothing goes out…but nothing comes in either. Open the floodgates, let that green energy flow out as wonderful things, people, information, etc. flow in…and then watch what happens!
I Bought the Gold Pack and another product that was advertised here. I sure hope they work because then I will have enough money to buy more. I love this stuff!!!
it seems to be a bit of a Catch-22 that we all succeed in direct proportion to the amount of self-work we do….yet it is the ‘getting started” part that seems toughest! And the “money conversation” that some people have…that somehow people shouldn’t be paid for the value…is, in my opinion, a ….less-enlightened viewpoint. I believe that people should be paid in proportion to the VALUE they provide, so i hope you guys are making exorbitant incomes! I also believe that humans do not place value on FREE items–so great advice/ coaching, given freely, is not as impactful as that which costs $10,000—because most people will take the $10,000 coaching more seriously!! Keep it up, we appreciate you!! Rush http://www.18monthwealth.com
We all, Graeme, have areas in our
lives that, quite frankly, just flat out
“suck” (to be blunt and get your attention).
Have you asked yourself lately:
Well for you 2 that was quite blunt- very effective though
“If I’m still the same place, financially,
that I was last year at this time, what
beliefs do I have that are keeping me
from my dreams?
And yes that is almost us but I do intend to get the Gold Pack asap and hopefully it will be done tomorrow
thankyou
from the person ” Heather - I Like your style”
Anyone who understands spirituality also understands that abundance is a two-way thing… it’s ludicrous to think that you can always be the giver the giver and nothing but the giver… but the thing is, you can’t truly give until you are willing and open to receive.
Jeanne
There is a lot of this thinking in our society. Musicians, artists and just about any creative folks always run up against people who think they should be ‘giving of their God given talents’ for free and because it’s something they just love to do. I think that’s a big part of it right there; if you are doing something you enjoy and are not in a drudge job, people figure you don’t need any other compensation than your enjoyment. They don’t stop to think that you need to pay the bills and live just like everyone else. That’s why they have musician’s unions, of course.
By the way, I don’t know how many people know this, but the traditional charge for a Reiki initiation was $10,000.00! Why? It was simply that they realized that, if they didn’t charge a huge fee, people would simply not take it seriously. Food for thought, there.
Here’s a question to ponder. IF we really DO live in a world of abundance (and I know we do) then why would ANYONE question the abundance someone receives whether it is from working a 40 hour work week or sharing “spiritual” insights”? These “spiritual hall monitors” you refer to probably do not work for free. They have families and/or themselves to provide for. EVERYTHING is energy. Money included. It is a form of energy that we exchange for something. Receiving a smile from someone after you open the door for them is no different than receiving money from someone after you share a spiritual insight. It is no different than receiving money from someone after you give them 40 hours of your VALUABLE time. It’s ALL the same. It’s all energy and how we choose to spend it. There is abundance everywhere and when we begin to judge “how the abundance is distributed”, at that very moment, we lost the entire message (AND the abundance). I am very appreciative of all the material you provide and I enjoy purchasing it because it adds great value to my life. Keep up the awesome work (er, I mean FUN
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People need to generate cash in their lives in order to live in this world whether it be working at a job or providing a service. That’s just a fact of living in the physical world. Providing information is a service whether it is spiritual or some other kind of information. Teachers get paid for sharing and teaching the information they paid dearly to learn. Why should it be different in this case?
Some people may argue that the greatest spiritual teacher to ever walk the earth spent hours upon hours imparting spiritual wisdom to all who would listen and never charged a penny. Why? Because he was not concerned with the material things of this world. He was not here to amass material wealth or worry about having his material needs met. He knew his time in this world was short. His mission was to impart great spiritual knowledge and pearls of wisdom to as many people as he could before his departure and after much suffering to finally give his life for us. He trusted his heavenly father would provide whatever it was he needed at the time. Matter of fact he chastised those who claimed to be spiritual leaders while amassing great wealth from their followers. Those who fully embraced his teachings passed it on to others and like their teacher did not expect any monetary reward for doing so. Matter of fact, many of them paid dearly like their teacher before them with their lives.
So with that said, is it wrong to charge for imparting spiritual wisdom? I don’t know and I certainly am not here to judge. And as you can see there are two sides to every coin and I only presented the two sides. I guess it just depends on the mission.
How many of us would continually incur the expenses of providing a great service and never expect any monetary reward or some kind of compensation? How long would you be able to provide that service without charging for it before having to discontinue that service because the funds to pay for it weren’t there? The only way would be if you already were a billionaire and didn’t need the money or worked another job to get the money you needed to fund this service and not be able to give your full attention to this service.
Well, I for one, appreciate Barry and Heather and people like them and the information they share. They are great peopIe and they do give a lot of themselves but, they can’t be expected to give everything away. They are providing a valuable service which requires a lot of time, effort, and expense. At some point they have to place a value on it and at some point be paid the value of that service. They have to live too!
From Rene.
At first I always had the idea that anything of a spiritual nature should be free as all the gifts of live and being are given to us. The air we breath is free, actually, even our food is free as it is for the animals in the wild.
I reckoned that Jesus healed the blind, not demanding money first, like saying “have you got 50 drachmas?”. “You havne’t?”. “Sorry mate, I won’t heal you!”. No, he healed, BUT, he had a ‘purse’, held by Judas and he thus lived of the donations people gave to him.
All good an well. In our day and time, I have come to understand that even the person bringing spiritual values needs to live and is worthy of his/her keep. Donations are an impossibility and will never work in our days and time.
See, the problem with me is (maybe at tne moment “was”?) that I am, at 79, an age pensioner and having a $9000 (australian) debt over my head and paying $165 every month to get rid of it. Already I do not pay interest on this as there is a morotorium on the interest and only pay the capital.
Well, there are matters of very great benefit available, but, I have to pay for it to get to it.
Now, my “problem” is here that I have that attitude “I can’t partake because I haven’t got th means”. The banks refuse me a credit card until I have repaid my debts.
The fault of having to pay for something does NOT lie with those who present the benefits of a richer life.
It is ME. And those who are protesting against having to pay are in the same category. It is THEM!!
“WE” are not as yet manifesting our abundance and missing something of the “Law of Attraction”.
In this case here, they are not Barry and Heather who are to blame for holding back our benefits, in this case it is ME who is holding back for myself that which I am so eagerly want!!
Hence, having to come to this realisation, it is now real time for me to give full attention to the LOA and get rid of that attitude “I can’t pay for it” and change that into positive form and thoughts and vibrations.
I fully support you and all those who put a charge on their work and efforts.
in my case, I will surely get into action and change my attitudes.
Conclusion, they are the “protesters” themselves who themselves hold back the benefits for them by negative thoughts and vibrations.
I’ll catch up with you now I have changed my mind. Bless you for your work and efforts. Peace and love, Rene (Mr.!)
Hi
I have just come across something that may be of interest to some of your readers. It’s a business opportunity that can be run from home and requires next to no outlay. There is no such thing as a free lunch so I’m not going to say this will make you rich overnight. However the simple fact is, if you are prepared to work it and hold onto your dreams of manifestation, this business can gradually become a source of further income for you. If you really work it, in time you could give up your day job. It depends how big your dreams are and how enthusiastic you become. For details go to steeryourway.com and click on business ideas.
Since watching “The Secret” and subscribing to Barry and Heathers “Masters of The Secret” I’ve been inspired to move to greater things in my life and have spent quite a bit of time looking for business opportunities on the net. This opportunity is the best thing I’ve seen.
Duncan
Well, This Topic is close to home.
Our FREE Talk Show www.focussociety.com has been discussing this topic through the dissection and discussion of Wallace Wattles, The Science of Getting Rich.
There are 138 past episodes to listen to at your leisure..
Form your own opinion.
I for one, after reading “the trilogy”, SOGR, The Master Key and Think & Grow Rich in 1960, realized it is my Birthright to Pay for Education and Get Rich
Education gained mostly from following the principles found in these books, DOING IT NOW and “paying” like minded “coaches”
Every talent in nature is God-given. There isn´t such a thing as a “more sacred profession” than other.Every profession involves a different talent.A doctor uses his physical talent to heal.A journalist uses his intelectual talent to communicate and inform.An artist uses his artistic talent to inspire,stir emotions.And a spiritual teacher uses his spiritual talent to help people develop.
Something I recall from many years ago quoted to me: “A man is worthy of his hire.” So if you provide a service or a product, why should you not charge a fair price for it?
I would hazard a guess that those people who expect something for nothing would not apply that same rule to themselves.
Spirituality is not synomymous with poverty. Please perish the thought (those who think this way) and disabuse yourselves of such erroneous, backward thinking.
It is an unfortunate conditioning program that many people continue to hit “play” on in their subconscious.The mind is never able to hold a belief that is not consistent with with that persons “picture”. In other words,this person believes it is offensive to promote spiritual things.Why? Maybe because he has not embraced the simple understanding that “nothing has meaning,except the meaning WE give it”. The universe is neutral.The “judgement” of the the promoter is the cause.Or, maybe this person has resistance to others promoting themselves ,because their own self esteem is poor. In fact, there is a good chance that person has problems promoting themselves.One persons life that is changed for the better,affects the whole planet.
If you believe you are one with God, or the Universe,then you must embrace the idea that your judgement of others is really judging yourself too. I encourage everyone to keep sowing “seed money” into fertile ground(Quality Content) that helps others grow.In the end, we ALL prosper from it in one way or another.
Money is an outward manifestation of value created . It is like a thermometer of value . The more value being produced by an individual , the higher their money “temperature” will be .
To many spritual teachers , the money is not the central focus as much as it is the satisfaction of giving value to others . The money is just a NATURAL result.
I have never personally witnessed any real lasting good that came out of poverty for anyone (including spiritual teachers ) . Even the Bible states , “For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.” 1 TIM 5:18 KJV. This passage is in relation to “spiritual” labourers being supplied financial reward for their labor .
I am so happy that this belief is be challenged . It is a definite step in the progress and evolution of mankind !
And a note for all something for nothingers : Nothing has any real value to you unless it cost you something . It doesn’t matter if it time , energy , or money . Uless you make a sacrafice to obtain something that you truly desire ( in this case it would be spiritual knowledge that transforms your life ) , then it is of no VALUE to you . This is why a bride to be deeply appreciates that diamond engagment ring . She know that her lover has sacraficed to provide her with this rare stone out of love .
May your life be filled with abundant blessings and happiness !
Joshua Wright , founder http://anatomyofhappiness.net
All this makes my head spin …
I have paid money on spiritual matters and been taken to the cleaners and back! Meaning totally ripped off! It was a lesson I had to learn. And then there is the good stuff … Barry and Heather.
There is a balance of trust to who you are paying and why. What is it you are truly looking for? To me Barry and Heather are top notch, though I haven’t committed to paying them as I am healing my wounds from my big ol’ spiritual headbang, in time if I truly choose this. Right now it’s not what I need and that it is a spiritual dissernment in and of itself! : >
So ask yourself, why is it I don’t want to pay or do want to pay? What is it I am looking for? Learn to trust your inner voice! We all have them, listen!
There is always something to learn from someone. I have learned to pick my mentors more wisely. Barry and Heather I’ll be joining in one day soon. In the meantime keep up the excellent work!
On another note I do agree with the comment above about the marketing techniques used. It’s like it is a one size fits all … well there is a need to be filled. Who does web design and dares to create a new way?!
I don’t think the issue is about money. I think its about respect and that translates for some into money,. When people do not want to pay for a service often it is because they do not give it value nor do they respect the integrity of those offering the service. I think right now we are experiencing a spiritual revolution somewhat akin to the sexual revolution of the 1960s. There is , in my opinion, a huge shift and expansion in understanding taking place and just like in the 1960s there is a great deal of experimentation happening. And just as in retrospect of the 1960s, there was a great deal that proved to be distractive and fleeting, i am sure that some of the spiritual going-ons of this time will prove to be eqally illusionary maybe even regressive. I believe spiritual teachers need to present themselves in a manner that commands respect. For one, I am appreciative of the “spiritual hall monitors”. I think they serve a valuable purpose. As a spiritual teacher , I believe anything of value needs to be challenged and revised especially at this time of great change. Bring it on. Let’s take the opportunity to come to some understanding of what it means to be a spiritual teacher at this time in the world.
Perhaps the life insurance is the one who had the marketing idea 2nd!
I appreciate the fact that you believe spiritual information should be given respect.
I don’t feel this is a ‘cheesy’ way to get the information or classes out. This IS the internet, and the only way we have to sample the wares is through a sample! That allows us to preview the material and decide whether we like the information and how it’s presented before we actually pay for it.
The internet is WONDERFUL because SO MANY people can receive this information!! This would not have been possible in any time period before now. One of the reasons why that movie was so popular is because it opened our eyes to theories and practices that were kept guarded. The DVD and books made all that available to a mass number of people in a very short time.
I know that I would still be chasing my own tail if it weren’t for those who see the internet and its peculiar and particular method of advertising as a means to reach the masses who NEED this stuff!!
I would think it was cheesy if there were No samples or newsletters (or tips, etc). At least we are able to view what’s being offered.
And hey - we’re being offered!! It’s up to us to accept or decline or tune out.
Money is a very complex issue, it’s the biggie, like sex and there are no simple answers or formulas!! I think that advice is advice and it’s for sale, and it’s either good or bad and it’s up to each of us to decide whether or not it’s worth it. And even bad advice is instructional…it teaches us something, it shows us what doesnt work and that’s valuable!! Spiritual advice isn’t holy in a religious sense, it’s simple guidance on how to live with a wider universal perspective attached to it. The giver is human………I do remember a client questioning my charges for metaphysical advice, she said ” Jesus didn’t charge money” Well honey I said ” As soon as I have mastered walking on water and turning loaves into fishes, and water into wine, you bet your booty I won’t be chargin anyone anything, but until that day, a woman’s gotta eat!!!
What irritates me in metaphysical circles is spiritual guidance that focusses on ” get rich quick” ideas of instant manifestation……..I mean it does happen, but usually the person has suffered huge or massive loss of one sort or another, or they are destiture, poor, broken……look at Anthony Robbins or Neale Donald Walsche, man if your that far down, if you’ve let go of that much crap you will sure come out like a volcanic eruption straight out of hell, your desire energy is supercharged, and it’s annoying when these people promote their principles and ways to people who have never had the ground under them shake let alone disappear. What works for one personn doesn’t necessarily work for another, look at Rhonda Byrne, she was at her wits end as well and then read Wattles book in that frame of mind, of course it was going to work for her. It won’t for others with more conventional or moderate lives unwilling to let go of a hankie let alone baggage that first must shift…..rags to riches stories can be very very misleading because the readers don’t realise, you too can do that but first you have to lose everything, your world has to have fallen apart, to have shaken you to the core where your focus is clear, clean and precise as it was for them, desperate in fact!!!
In any case i’ve learnt the most about money first hand by “feeling” the energy of people I’ve known. My greatest teacher was a very humble man, only son of one of the richest families in Europe. Hitler took his fortune and killed his family. He emigrated to Australia, never looked back, accepted what was but the wealth was in his bones, despite what happened he knew he was rich. It didn’t matter what he touched, his was the way of midas, it always turned to gold, his sadness was that people didn’t see him, they couldn’t see past to the man behind his ability to create wealth no matter what he did.
Each of us has lifetimes of compromise, selling our souls and subservience to the need to survive ( the need for money) and the lack of faith in life itself cuts into our being, the pain of these lifetimes has to shift before we can embrace true wealth. And the worst thing about money is when it is acquired without right use of will it is a damned horrible existence to live, I am sure of it as I’ve seen it many times and it’s not pretty. Get things sorted, do what you love, love life and it richly rewards.
I wanted to respond to this thread yesterday, but something happened with my computer. Here’s my post:
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This can be an abusive session of “Hall Monitor Bashing,” or it can be a healing session of understanding people for whom spirituality and money mix like oil and water.
It’s possible that the people who don’t feel that they should pay for spiritual materials…that they or at least a subset of them…are spiritual “over-givers.” They are over-extended, but peoples’ lives essentially depend on them staying that way. They are the people who tend to their sick siblings and parents. They are the people who give to x# of beggars per day, regardless of how much they have in their own bank accounts.
AND, MY DEAR MANIFESTING FRIENDS, they are people who are often taken advantage of.
Some people have been taken from…and they haven’t been able to see a better route. Their family and business structures rely on THEM keeping everything together. And sometimes, the imbalance comes crushing down on these people with so much to give. So much love. So much money. So much care. Such excellent advice.
They get sucked dry.
Now how exactly are you going to call someone like that a “Hall Monitor?” Maybe that person is homeless and writing from a free university email station…maybe that person is working longer hours than you could possibly imagine…maybe that person actually DESERVES to get this kind of material for free.
Is there a way to tell?
Is there a way to give such people access and have them pay later without devaluing the product?
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…moving on…in my opinion, money is not a natural reflection of a person’s “value,” just as $4.00 is not the value of the life of a fish. It’s also not a value temperature, because if I move tables and chairs at church for free, that’s one thing…I then move tables and chairs for a moving service and I wind up making money.
If the amount of money in my bank account had anything to do with the amount of “value” I’ve added to the world, then, technically, I shouldn’t even breathe. I would be cosmically “blocked” from even taking my next step. Who’s going to pay me for listening to my friend for 6 hours about his divorce and coming home late? Who’s going to pay me for patting my cousin on his back and wishing him luck at his job interview?
Sheeesh!
I sympathize with the folks on this blog…also…I can understand how using the thermometer analogy can bring some awareness to people…so it’s a workable analogy…
Best wishes,
Dainis
IT is, in fact, your spiritual duty to be rich. OR wealthy. Think about it for awhile, and begin to believe this: “Money needs me”, not “I need money”…
While I am nearly broke right now, just lost a job and am scrambling to get another one before it gets worse, I still like the 2 thoughts above…
I’m wondering if the ‘hall monitors’ are giving 10% of their income to charity, etc. I believe it is so important to give; for me it is a way of expressing my gratitude. That’s one of the reasons I want to earn a large income. As far as Barry and Heather earning money for sharing their spiritual/manifesting wisdom: they obviously are doing what they love and have a gift for. I think everyone here would agree they are truly gifted in teaching and providing information to us! I also intend to purchase the higher level ‘package’ they offer (and after doing the 30 day IM Experiment I’ll be able to!!!). And I must point out that Barry and Heather are providing a s**t load of FREE information that has helped me tremendously! (I am giving them a solo standing ovation now).
You know I often ask myself why people are so scared of making money…….what’s up with that? The government and society has us soooo fearful of the good things in life. Think about it everything you read and see on TV is about living in fear. Money is just paper people……it’s energy, it’s a form of trade. I used to believe that people who had money were snobs. We all heard some form of this growing up. Money doesn’t grow on trees, Do you think I’m made of money? Rich people are snobs. Money is evil. Ever heard any of those when you were growing up? I sure did. It wasn’t until I got involved with network marketing and also studied with Bob Doyle that I learned the true nature of money and it’s affect on people. It really hit home for me one day when a client wrote me a cheque for a service provided. That cheque was written on a piece of paper which I took to my bank and they gave me another piece of paper saying that that amount had been deposited into my account. Then a few days later I paid a bill by pushing some buttons on the computer. No actually money ever touched my hands. My investments are only on paper, I have never actually seen the cash. They say for every dollar we have only four cents is actually cash money. (I think I have those figures right) Anyway I think our thinking about money has to change and we have to stop believing the beurocrats B…S… and stop living in fear of wanting what we want. God, Spirit, Allah or whoever you want to call it wants what we want and like the Bible says: Ask and you shall recieve…….hello!!!
We can have anything we want, everybody that is, can have whatever they want whenever they want and they shouldn’t feel bad or guilty about it. This is the biggest challenge for most people to get over. The FEAR of MONEY>>>>
I say Bravo to you both for putting it out there.
I really enjoy reading your blogs although I don’t often respond.
Making money is not a mystery. Sometimes people “need” to feel more valuable before doing things that make them money. A lot of rich people feel like broke scoundrels. They don’t feel valuable. Some rich people are evil, greedy, hateful bastards.
What may be happening here, is that people are waking up to the fact that one can manifest with either positive or negative emotions. And we’re finding out that it’s just a lot more fun to do it with the feelings of joy and abundance.
A stance that I like to contemplate is that we are experiencing a great conversion…a conversion of money itself.
We, as a collective consciousness, are changing the spirit of money. We are saying “no, you will not be hoarded by the wealthy, you will not be used to subjugate or to kill, you will be a joy transport vehicle, and I will drink you in fully and deeply.”
Sorry for the mixed metaphor. How about joy transport beverage? Doesn’t work as well.
It’s late for me…good night!
–Dainis
PS — If anyone out there is struggling to make money, just cut to the chase: simply do things that earn you money. Do things that are acceptable to you, that someone will pay you money for now. Contemplate the difference between working longer or harder with working smarter. Cherish the small steps. You’ll get there.
Dainis,
We’re surprised to see such a “defender of victimitis-thinking” response from you.
It seems you’ve completely misinterpreted what this post is about, and the context of the term “spiritual hall monitor” (which, strangely enough, has seemed to take on a life of its own).
A “spiritual hall monitor”, for clarity, is someone who tells others what they should or shouldn’t do, or should or shouldn’t think, or should or shouldn’t pay for based on their own limited perceptions, biases, experiences and beliefs.
This post wasn’t written to incite the “bashing” (as you say) of people who spend more time, energy, and effort GIVING (than receiving — the mis-used ration of which, in itself, could be the topic of an interesting discussion).
It was, however, written to point out the ridiculousness of one simple notion: that spiritual teachers shouldn’t be paid for their work or packaged insight (in the form of seminars, CDs, books, reports, MP3’s, etc.).
And, as evidenced by the comments above, quite a few people here feel the same way — i.e. how utterly absurd is it for someone to think that it’s okay to RECEIVE something-for-nothing in the area of “spirituality”, “metaphysics”, “manifestation”, etc. but be OKAY with overly-paying actors, musicians, doctors, lawyers, etc?
So, again, we reiterate, anybody who denigrates, or looks down on, a spiritual teacher or metaphysical researchers / marketers (us) for selling found, created, packaged, or re-purposed material, possibly because they themselves have issues around the idea, is a “spiritual snob.”
Any time there’s this energy, towards a teacher or marketer of spiritual products, of “how dare you charge me for universal truth?” or “I feel more evolved than you because I constantly, give, give, give, and never ask for any of the energy I release to return to me,” or “you should not be receiving money off things considered to be God’s work,” it’s pure spiritual arrogance, plain and simple.
Look, it’s about calling a spade a spade here. If a person feels better for remaining where they are financially than where they would be if they were wealthy, great. It’s their choice and responsibility (for the resulting experience) for BE-ing that way. But, if that same person judges or criticizes others for not feeling that way (wanting to throttle back the idea of no-limit, prosperous living to their level), or especially feeling a mentor “should” be compelled to give only, it’s extremely self-defeating thinking.
And, where this “compensate the giver” idea of yours comes from, we have no clue. Because, Dainis, it’s pure lack-based. To think that society should treat people who CHOOSE to be “over-givers” differently is nuts. It’s their responsibility for putting themselves in a position where they’re spending more time on others instead of themselves.
As Jeanne May said above, “Anyone who understands spirituality also understands that abundance is a two-way thing… it’s ludicrous to think that you can always be the giver, the giver, and nothing but the giver… but the thing is, you can’t truly give until you are willing and open to receive.”
There’s a fine line between overly-involved compassion for somebody else’s woes and playing the victim game. If you, Dainis, or somebody close to you, feel you’ve been “sucked dry” for giving too much, the question begs:
WHY ?
It’s been an age old complaint, for centuries, from people who don’t practice tolerance and put too much importance on their ability (or self-imposed NEED) to SERVE others in an extreme way.
As Secret Master #2 told us, “Relinquishing your happiness for the sake of others, whether they are known or unknown to you, verifies to yourself, and others, that you are small and unworthy of even your own attention. Subjugating your happiness to others is actually anti humanity, and it makes you mentally sick.”
While strong words, we know, we list this excerpt here because we’re here to help others GROW from real-world experiences, beliefs, and interpretations of what we write.
And, Dainis, while we know you’re a student of higher-learning, we ALSO know that what you wrote isn’t even close to the realm of thought WE had when writing the “Comfortable With Paying The Universe” blog post
cheers
Barry & Heather
As someone said in an earlier post “money is energy”. Just imagine all the electronic transactions that take place each day. As energy money has a vibrational field. As does everything.
Therefore there is nothing wrong with exchanging energies. People tend to see money as a physical manifestation because we can hold it and use it. Yes true to a degree.
Let’s take a mortgage for example. Do you “actually hold the money”? No. It is an electronic transaction and the numbers (debt) appear in your account etc.
To ask for “money” for a service or as some put it “product” is nothing more than an exchange of energies.
I believe that exchange of energy is part of the Laws Of Attraction and as such see no issues with what Barry and Heather do.
If you are spiritually evolved and believe that all things come to you from the Universe and you are, for example a money magnet, one should not need to pay others for these services as everyone has the power to manifest their own desires with practise and understanding, the basic laws of life.
We all need each other as we are linked whether we like it or not. Others are used as vessels to provide you with answers and ideas to create your own wealth, good health and abundance in all areas of your life. We all limit ourselves, This is not done by others and if one believes that one is a victim, one will always be a victim of their circumstances.
But knowing all this, why do I always attract people in my life who feel it is quite normal for me to provide for them. I do tend to give too freely but always feel if I have it, why not. But when the situation is reversed, it is totally different. I have no problem with others charging for their knowledge and services, but I also feel that if one does not want to pay for it, then they must not expect all the assistance they feel they require.
I know that I should be attracting all the good in this world that truly belongs to me, but what is blocking me from grabbing it.
Do it alone if you do not want to pay for it. It is hugely possible to make your own life one of Joy, great health and abundance.
It does take dedication and lots of genuine love of/for yourself.
I have never replied ever before so this responding is extremely new to me. These are my thoughts!!!
Thanks for all the great info and positive energy that you keep sending out!!
In order to study a manual, it must be purchased (to cover cost of equipment/supplies/labor). But, attendance to witness the strengths (i.e., teachings/lessons) is free.
Tithing, on the other hand, is giving as to one’s “ability” to give. Donations are given AFTER one has seen the value of the “lesson” in action - and, in doing so, “support” it.
Man created money. He made up the “rules” surrounding it. We can only believe what we are taught - until we “witness” otherwise - on a Spritiual level. Nothing exsists unless it’s “observed” - and that comes from within.
After all, let us not forget, although we (as a collective) are on a path of ascension back to Source, that is where we began. Even Christ attested, “I knew you before you were born…” Spirit came first - and, it shall be our final destination - with or without Money.
True value is determined by the one seeking the goods. Perceived value is what the marketer “thinks” they should get paid.
Chicken or the Egg…?
Now, unless someone needs something in order to actually continue “living” (physically), they shouldn’t have to go without - but, alas, sometimes they do (as in liver transplants, etc.)…
However, how much more important is our Spiritual Ascension? Does the Universe pick and choose which Sparrow is “one too many” in the flock - or, which Lily should be more beautiful than another? I think not.
Similarly, if “mature” seeds are scattered upon poor soil, then they shall “grow” and eventually wither. And, if the seed is scattered upon fertile soil, it shall grow and flourish.
So, speaking from a Spiritual sense, How does the “Master” know if the “soil” is “fertile”…?
The “Path” is clear, the journey rugged, but I shall not loose the hand of my brother lest we both shall falter…
Thanks
You can look at this from another direction though. I’m talking about being reimbursed for goods. If the “seller” believes in LOA, then why not say give me whatever you’re willing to pay or nothing, then the LOA would work the same for YOU, the seller. I read about a rock group that did this with their CD and ended up making MORE money than if they had sold it for a regular price. And, as far as I know, they weren’t even into LOA. Just seems if you believe in LOA, it should work from both sides. Some will pay more, some less, and some nothing, but if YOU believe in LOA, then you’ll probably end up making a lot more than you would have. Just a thought.
Hmmm, I agree with Patricia. It appears to me that if you put a certain stuck amount on something you are selling, then you have a “fear” that if you don’t put that certain amount on it, you will not make enough to cover your expenses or make a profit. Isn’t that “fear”?? You teach LOA, but you don’t practice it it seems.
Patricia, Sazie… what you’re talking about is a concept called “Pay What You Can” or PWYC. It’s often implemented in the arts circles… community theaters, painting shows, indie bands and the like.
What it does is breed a lack mentality, because “Pay What You Can” implies that you CAN’T pay more than what you do.
Most people choose to pay a token $5 or $10 or so at events like that. I have seen the odd philanthropist throw in $100, but it doesn’t happen very often, and as a result the artist usually ends up continuing in their rut of being a “starving artist”.
NO artist with any talent deserves to be “starving”.
I believe all artists (and entrepreneurs are really artists in their own right — or shall we use the word “creators”) are entitled to their reward from the Universe as a result of putting out their art for the enjoyment of people.
Saying “I feel my art is worth $xxx” does NOTHING to go against the LOA. I’m not even sure how you could possibly come to the conclusion that it does.
No, it’s not “fear”… it’s confidence, it’s a feeling of worthiness, it’s a deep knowing of deservedness… and if you don’t have that, THEN you are operating out of fear.
We can’t control what others do, only what we do.
And that starts with loving ourselves and believing in our own worth.
cheers
Heather
Here’s another way of looking at it:
This blog post wasn’t about the virtues or benefits of “discount pricing”. Yes, as Heather stated, the “donation” idea completely comes from a place of “lack”.
If the spiritual teachers and metaphysical coaches we know were to solely make business decisions on the misguided notion that they shouldn’t require a “set” amount of money upfront (as Robert, above, says: “Donations are given AFTER one has seen the value of the ‘lesson’ in action - and, in doing so, ’support’ it), just because it could fall under the label of “spiritual” or “metaphysical” or “universal wisdom”, then that would perpetuate the false belief of: “because somebody is a seeker, or in need, or needs helps, they shouldn’t have to exchange energy (money) for energy (time and effort — the mentor’s time and effort in putting together the book, CD, DVD, ecourse, etc.)”.
And by the way, we’re pretty sure NOBODY is under the assumption that the LOA means “if you give it away, it will instantly, or in the same way you desire, always come back to you.” And, that has no relation to a mentor’s (or our) belief, faith, and trust in the goodness of humanity or the big Karmic Universe. Rather, it’s just about the TRUTH that, LOA material or not, it’s OKAY that WE CAN CHOOSE (not what is “supposed to be” the “right” way) how we want to sell the products.
Barry
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Looks like we dug up some major “issues” here. I don’t and didn’t defend victimitis thinking…not for one second.
Money and value are separate things.
That’s all I have time for right now…